Monday, January 23, 2006
A rather obnoxious commentor made some remarks on an earlier post calling me Racist and Liar!
I've decided to answer him in the main section, and then let you, the readers, decide whether he should be banned in the future for such rude and antisocial behavior.
1) There are a number of interrelated issues here.
1A) The basic rights of Jew to own/cultivate land in Judea/Samaria is being stripped away (with ease).
The ownership of the land in the Hevron Market is unquestionably Jewish as has been so for hundreds of years, and the group that administers the land in question for the owners expressly gave permission for the Jews to live there.
Yet the Jews are being expelled.
I guess the inalienable right of a Jew to own or enter his own land isn’t important to you.
(That's racist.)
1B) The Rule of Law is not being applied equally but rather quite selectively as you can see here and here.
There are currently over 7000 standing destruction orders on illegal Arab construction in Judea/Samaria, that have not been and are not being enforced.
Again, in the name of the Rule of Law, why is Peace Now (or you) not demanding equal enforcement (or any enforcement for that matter)?
(That's racist.)
1C) On the legal side, the answer to that is that in Judea/Samaria there is no Rule of Law or even an assumption of jurisdiction. The government has purposely left the law vague and undefined for political reasons.
As you can see, the HCJ itself claims it really doesn’t has the right to apply Israeli law in the territories, but rather it falls solely under the military administration (which normally plays a significant role along with various civil authorities in deciding what constitutes a legal settlement), but it then decides that it has the right to selectively enforce the law on Israelis, but apparently only so far as to take those rights away for “political or security” benefits.
It is a very disconcerting document that clearly shows how convoluted, contradictory, and confused our Left-leaning Judiciary can choose to be when it deliberates in order to come up with the political decision it already decided on before the hearing.
On the other hand, it is a quite wonderful example of typical Israeli Judicial Activism overstepping its bounds (though due to the vacuum the govenment left behind).
1D) It is a rather wide claim to state that a supposedly illegal settlement affects society as a whole, unless you already subscribe to the nonsense that “settlements are obstacles to peace”, because that basically means that Jews living on Jewish owned land are an obstacle to peace - and that is racist.
Are you a racist?
2)
2A) Other than what Israel has created since Oslo, there never was a Palestinian Government/Entity in the Middle East to make it Palestinian Sovereign Land (except perhaps for occupied Jordan). Nor is it occupied according to the Geneva convention (despite the HJC's decisive turn-around in order to implement the disengagement) as there was no former high sovereign power to take occupancy from. This has simply become a politicized/propaganda term. The land is at best disputed, and even that is a fair question.
2b) And, as point of fact, as the Sovereign nation controlling Judea and Samaria, except for Area A, is still Israel. That would make it Jewish controlled territory. (Israel=The Jewish State).
2C) And finally, if any final or temporary borders are ever established, facts on the ground on both sides will decide ultimate sovereignty – so Jews holding onto the land does and will make it Jewish land.
3)
3A) Now let’s see. Between 30,000-50,000 cars are stolen in Israel annually.
Some 90% of those vehicles end up in the Palestinian Authority – including into the hands of senior members of the Palestinian government.
So if in the past 10 years, some 300,000 stolen cars entered the PA, and the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics claims that there are only 122,000 registered (which does not mean they weren’t stolen) vehicles in the PA. That would mean that approximately 150%-250% of the cars being driven around in the PA are stolen.
So yes, at the flip of a coin (either side), it is highly likely that the truck used to drag around the tortured body of the accused Palestinian collaborator was stolen.
Does that make me a racist? I’m not quite clear what the connection is.
3B) With regard to investigating Peace Now’s motivations, you are accusing me of lying.
If I were rude, I'd simply tell you to go to hell.
But, unfortunately for you, I did check their motivations and intentions (someone else asked as I sat there listening), and their lawyer was quite proud to declare them.
Anyone that is familiar with Peace Now (which is nearly everyone in Israel, but I guess not ignoramuses in Illinois) would recognize that that my statement was quite accurate.
So you are also an ignorant liar.
3C) And finally, racist?
I recognize that we the Jewish Nation are currently at war with much of the Arab/Islamic Nation: politically, ideologically, spiritually, physically and most particularly over our land.
That is recognition of fact of the state of war that we are in, not racism.
It is in fact the official position of the Israeli government.
You chose to throw around the term Racist quite easily.
You've already shown that you think like a racist when it comes to Jewish rights.
You must be projecting.
Go learn your facts and improve your behavior before you even think of posting here again.
(For everyone else, I particularly recommend you read both JerusalemCop and Robert's remarks in the comment section below)
I've decided to answer him in the main section, and then let you, the readers, decide whether he should be banned in the future for such rude and antisocial behavior.
1) There are a number of interrelated issues here.
1A) The basic rights of Jew to own/cultivate land in Judea/Samaria is being stripped away (with ease).
The ownership of the land in the Hevron Market is unquestionably Jewish as has been so for hundreds of years, and the group that administers the land in question for the owners expressly gave permission for the Jews to live there.
Yet the Jews are being expelled.
I guess the inalienable right of a Jew to own or enter his own land isn’t important to you.
(That's racist.)
1B) The Rule of Law is not being applied equally but rather quite selectively as you can see here and here.
There are currently over 7000 standing destruction orders on illegal Arab construction in Judea/Samaria, that have not been and are not being enforced.
Again, in the name of the Rule of Law, why is Peace Now (or you) not demanding equal enforcement (or any enforcement for that matter)?
(That's racist.)
1C) On the legal side, the answer to that is that in Judea/Samaria there is no Rule of Law or even an assumption of jurisdiction. The government has purposely left the law vague and undefined for political reasons.
As you can see, the HCJ itself claims it really doesn’t has the right to apply Israeli law in the territories, but rather it falls solely under the military administration (which normally plays a significant role along with various civil authorities in deciding what constitutes a legal settlement), but it then decides that it has the right to selectively enforce the law on Israelis, but apparently only so far as to take those rights away for “political or security” benefits.
It is a very disconcerting document that clearly shows how convoluted, contradictory, and confused our Left-leaning Judiciary can choose to be when it deliberates in order to come up with the political decision it already decided on before the hearing.
On the other hand, it is a quite wonderful example of typical Israeli Judicial Activism overstepping its bounds (though due to the vacuum the govenment left behind).
1D) It is a rather wide claim to state that a supposedly illegal settlement affects society as a whole, unless you already subscribe to the nonsense that “settlements are obstacles to peace”, because that basically means that Jews living on Jewish owned land are an obstacle to peace - and that is racist.
Are you a racist?
2)
2A) Other than what Israel has created since Oslo, there never was a Palestinian Government/Entity in the Middle East to make it Palestinian Sovereign Land (except perhaps for occupied Jordan). Nor is it occupied according to the Geneva convention (despite the HJC's decisive turn-around in order to implement the disengagement) as there was no former high sovereign power to take occupancy from. This has simply become a politicized/propaganda term. The land is at best disputed, and even that is a fair question.
2b) And, as point of fact, as the Sovereign nation controlling Judea and Samaria, except for Area A, is still Israel. That would make it Jewish controlled territory. (Israel=The Jewish State).
2C) And finally, if any final or temporary borders are ever established, facts on the ground on both sides will decide ultimate sovereignty – so Jews holding onto the land does and will make it Jewish land.
3)
3A) Now let’s see. Between 30,000-50,000 cars are stolen in Israel annually.
Some 90% of those vehicles end up in the Palestinian Authority – including into the hands of senior members of the Palestinian government.
So if in the past 10 years, some 300,000 stolen cars entered the PA, and the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics claims that there are only 122,000 registered (which does not mean they weren’t stolen) vehicles in the PA. That would mean that approximately 150%-250% of the cars being driven around in the PA are stolen.
So yes, at the flip of a coin (either side), it is highly likely that the truck used to drag around the tortured body of the accused Palestinian collaborator was stolen.
Does that make me a racist? I’m not quite clear what the connection is.
3B) With regard to investigating Peace Now’s motivations, you are accusing me of lying.
If I were rude, I'd simply tell you to go to hell.
But, unfortunately for you, I did check their motivations and intentions (someone else asked as I sat there listening), and their lawyer was quite proud to declare them.
Anyone that is familiar with Peace Now (which is nearly everyone in Israel, but I guess not ignoramuses in Illinois) would recognize that that my statement was quite accurate.
So you are also an ignorant liar.
3C) And finally, racist?
I recognize that we the Jewish Nation are currently at war with much of the Arab/Islamic Nation: politically, ideologically, spiritually, physically and most particularly over our land.
That is recognition of fact of the state of war that we are in, not racism.
It is in fact the official position of the Israeli government.
You chose to throw around the term Racist quite easily.
You've already shown that you think like a racist when it comes to Jewish rights.
You must be projecting.
Go learn your facts and improve your behavior before you even think of posting here again.
(For everyone else, I particularly recommend you read both JerusalemCop and Robert's remarks in the comment section below)
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