tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post6642233508533934192..comments2023-07-20T13:13:38.728+03:00Comments on JoeSettler: Praying at IKEAUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-44830336032147875762007-05-10T06:50:00.000+03:002007-05-10T06:50:00.000+03:00when i was in yeshivah one of our teachers (from t...when i was in yeshivah one of our teachers (from the kibbutz where the yeshivah was located) told us a story that a non-religous kibbutznik chided him because the religious kibbutzim don't work on shabbat and thus lose revenus. in fact, at the time (1992) the religious kibbutzim (overall) were in better shape than the non-religous ones. (and i think that is still the case today, though they are all in pretty bad shape.)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-7490261017007604742007-05-09T13:46:00.000+03:002007-05-09T13:46:00.000+03:00Get a load of comment #2 in the Haaretz article.Get a load of comment #2 in the Haaretz article.Lurkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05516196101946513020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-50227934367802889912007-05-09T13:37:00.000+03:002007-05-09T13:37:00.000+03:00A) It went kosher at the end of 2005 beginnning of...A) It went kosher at the end of 2005 beginnning of 2006, not late 2006 as you said.<BR/><BR/>B) I addressed and conceded to your point in the second comment, so I am not sure why you are rehashing on it again a day later.<BR/><BR/>C) Utilizing the term Kosher as you are is the same as when McDonalds said all their products are kosher. Technically truthful on an individual product level, but not true on the overall level where milk and meat are mixed (as the term kosher is popularly used today).JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-20597697359990159452007-05-09T13:28:00.000+03:002007-05-09T13:28:00.000+03:00My tone isn't aggressive at all. I'm just challeng...My tone isn't aggressive at all. I'm just challenging your point. Ikea has never been open on Shabbat, so its impossible that their business has increased since they've become Shomer Shabbat, as you claim. You are distorting facts to make your point. And their restaurant went kosher in late 2006 (though lacking a teudat, it never featured outright treyf), so I doubt the increase is as a result of the restaurant going kosher. Though perhaps it will make it more attractive to more religious consumers. But cheap furniture is cheap furniture, right? I don't think the restaurant is going to make it or break for anyone. But, I might be wrong.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305713258990496873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-85534633490418473292007-05-09T13:03:00.000+03:002007-05-09T13:03:00.000+03:00I don't think the post is irrelevant at all. They ...I don't think the post is irrelevant at all. They are doing far better since becoming kosher.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that despite not being open on Shabbat they are thriving, nor are they forcing the other local stores to compete with them by being open on Shabbat either.<BR/><BR/>Nor do I like your quote around "facts".<BR/><BR/>On Ikea Finances:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=180&view=item&idx=1071" REL="nofollow">Record Breaking Income in 2005</A> - around when Bronfman took over.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3306902,00.html" REL="nofollow">8.4% increase in 2006 over 2005</A><BR/><BR/>Do you have some sort of problem that you are taking such an aggressive tone?JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-23505338265759472392007-05-09T12:57:00.000+03:002007-05-09T12:57:00.000+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-40218388149200649182007-05-09T12:32:00.000+03:002007-05-09T12:32:00.000+03:00This entire post is irrelevant anyway due to the f...This entire post is irrelevant anyway due to the fact that IKEA in Israel has never been open on Shabbat. <BR/><BR/>"You see, not only has IKEA not suffered economic devastation by closing on Shabbat, but their business improved.<BR/><BR/>In fact, since becoming Shomer Shabbat, IKEA Israel sales have improved to the point where all employees received a 2.5 month bonus on their salaries at the end of the year – their largest bonus ever, because it was their best year ever."<BR/><BR/>So where are you getting these "facts" from?Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305713258990496873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-9825207156462208422007-05-08T19:10:00.000+03:002007-05-08T19:10:00.000+03:00Joe, that "something interesting" item you linked ...Joe, that "something interesting" item you linked to in the 3rd comment: I notice it's dated from 5761.<BR/><BR/>If I'm not mistaken, Bronfman acquired IKEA about 4 years later.<BR/><BR/>-- MAOZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-53389719579760582802007-05-08T15:03:00.000+03:002007-05-08T15:03:00.000+03:00Yeah, so I thought. Feel free to rip on McDonalds ...Yeah, so I thought. Feel free to rip on McDonalds though.Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305713258990496873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-35766531323282304142007-05-08T14:49:00.000+03:002007-05-08T14:49:00.000+03:00Something interesting that I just found.<A HREF="http://chareidi.shemayisrael.com/archives5761/tzav/PSCaikea.htm" REL="nofollow">Something interesting</A> that I just found.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-25527769776123640722007-05-08T14:45:00.000+03:002007-05-08T14:45:00.000+03:00You may be right, but I seem to recall that it ini...You may be <A HREF="http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/28443/edition_id/540/format/html/displaystory.html" REL="nofollow">right</A>, but I seem to recall that it initially used to be open, and certainly everyone in the shul was also under that impression too.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'll change the post to the "Power of Kashrut" <BR/>and launch an attack on <A HREF="http://joesettler.blogspot.com/2006/11/golden-arches-of-hate.html" REL="nofollow">McDonalds Israel</A>.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-58452973623134724002007-05-08T14:18:00.000+03:002007-05-08T14:18:00.000+03:00As long as I can remember Ikea has always been clo...As long as I can remember Ikea has always been closed on Shabbat...Harryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12305713258990496873noreply@blogger.com