tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post113762660364739034..comments2023-07-20T13:13:38.728+03:00Comments on JoeSettler: The Dirty Little Secret - Finally RevealedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1138109893775696312006-01-24T15:38:00.000+02:002006-01-24T15:38:00.000+02:00OK, that's reasonable. The Ofni folks have spread...OK, that's reasonable. The Ofni folks have spread out a bit, but the core of the group eventually established something in your neck of the woods. It always pays to hear both sides of the story.<BR/><BR/>I want to stress that I'm not trying to paint all of Amona or Ofra with one brush. There were people in Ofra and people in Moetzet Yesha that were very supportive of Ofni. But there were also people in Ofra who called in the media and basically "ratted on" the Ofni hill in order to protect various interests such as the Amona hill which had just gotten started and possibly also relating to issues of the vaadat klita and the type of settlement certain groups felt that Ofra needed to be - and of course which the Ofni group wasn't. <BR/><BR/>יש שכר לפעולתך נאום הAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1138037736855850082006-01-23T19:35:00.000+02:002006-01-23T19:35:00.000+02:00I've got the Amona details from the horses mouth, ...I've got the Amona details from the horses mouth, so to speak. I'm not familiar with the Ofni story, but B"EH I'll check it out.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1138033553996692392006-01-23T18:25:00.000+02:002006-01-23T18:25:00.000+02:00While the overall thrust of your post is true, 1) ...While the overall thrust of your post is true, 1) I'm not sure how true it is relating specifically to Amona, and, more importantly <BR/>2) Amona and Ofra may now be paying the "price" - admittedly a long time in coming - for very, very, very actively "discouraging" other settler groups from establishing legal "outposts" nearby.<BR/><BR/>Ask any of the Amona folks (or better yet the Ofra folks, b/c the Amona folks were probably 15 year old kids when this happend) if they remember the "Ofni" hilltop. Then ask them about the Ofra/Amona folks who went to the media AND Peace Now to "report" on the Ofni group who were trying to establish a settlement (with Amana's blessing I might add), and did everything possible to discredit and destroy it - so they could "protect" the Amona hilltop they were developing. <BR/><BR/>They brought Peace Now on themselves. I think the word "boomerang" is what comes to mind here.<BR/><BR/>So yes, I'd defend the rights of Jews to live anywhere in E"Y. And I'd oppose the destruction of settlements. But just a little bit of Amona and it's history makes me want to sit on my couch and watch it on TV - and think that perhaps Moetzet Yesha has once again bungled it, by choosing Amona as the site of it's (for how many times already) "Last Stand".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1138024116049697312006-01-23T15:48:00.000+02:002006-01-23T15:48:00.000+02:00You are wrong, oh aclu-breath. The ACLU is not the...You are wrong, oh aclu-breath. The ACLU is not the plaintiff in the case against the National Security Agency ("bush/white house"). The ACLU is the filer of the suit. See, for example, http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/17/aclu.nsa/ which names the plaintiffs, none of whom are part of the ACLU. In a full democracy, if there are no plaintiffs, there is no case. That is a basic part of the democratic legal system. However, if you prefer the systems of government which allows suits to be brought on behalf of no-one, go live in a monarchy or dictatorship. Or Israel --- whichever you prefer.<BR/><BR/>RobertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137996395086299932006-01-23T08:06:00.000+02:002006-01-23T08:06:00.000+02:00But Dan, does your being a Jew mean that you shoul...But Dan, does your being a Jew mean that you should be thrown out of the land you bought in Chicago? We are talking about planned evictions here based on race. Is that not racist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137979499596337762006-01-23T03:24:00.000+02:002006-01-23T03:24:00.000+02:00My response to this loser is in the main blog sect...My response to this loser is in the main blog section.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137960269279437852006-01-22T22:04:00.000+02:002006-01-22T22:04:00.000+02:001) The fact that the petitioner were not the previ...1) The fact that the petitioner were not the previous arab owners is irrelevant. In america the aclu is suing bush/white house re:eavesdropping even though they never claimed to have been eavesdropped upon. While it may seem like a valid point, in democratic countries which abide by the rule of law, the petitioner, in cases that affect society as a whole, is not limited to the parties involved directly. This is a fact of law. You don't like it go live in a monarchy or dictatorship.<BR/>2)The blogger implies that a jew buying arab land makes it Israeli land. So is my new home in chicago Israeli land to because I am jewish? Even if the PLO/PA did not have a law against selling land to jews the sale of a piece of property does not change the status of the soviergn nation's claim where the land is located.<BR/>3)driving around in a "probably" stolen truck...joesettler does not merely imply racisim, his post reeks of it. <BR/>The fact of the matter is that this response has nothing to do with wether or not I am pro-Israel (I am)if Israel wants to go to war and take over every drop of arab land that is fine by me. In this world, as has been proven many times, might makes right and yada yada yada. But Joe Settlers post is merely ignorant rhetoric designed to persuade emotionally regardless of facts. <BR/>Its nice to assign reason for other people's actions, but joe settler did not actually investigate the truth behind peacenow's motivation. He may be right,probably not, but maybe. His point however is destroyed by his racist emotionally driven rhetoric.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137953850619523682006-01-22T20:17:00.000+02:002006-01-22T20:17:00.000+02:00Actually he didn't say 'Judea & Samaria'. He said ...Actually he didn't say 'Judea & Samaria'. He said 'over the green line'.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137953768539266982006-01-22T20:16:00.000+02:002006-01-22T20:16:00.000+02:001) Simplified? I don’t think so. I am merely conve...1) Simplified? I don’t think so. I am merely conveying the exact hypocritical caricatures that we on the Right are besieged with daily. We are caricaturized as the lawless disrespecters of human rights and the Rule of Law, yet as can be plainly seen, our accusers seem to better fit that bill. <BR/><BR/>2) Let the Peacenuts post their responses on their own blogs, I am not here to give them a soapbox.<BR/><BR/>3) Now the above (2) is a rather amusing retort on my part, because as it happens, I actually happened to hear Peace Now's official response to your exact question on this very subject just the other day (from their spokesmen in their legal department), and so, in the end, I am going to post their response.<BR/><BR/>And Peace Now’s response is that ‘Peace Now’s only interest is promoting peace. Jewish settlements in Judea & Samaria are obstacles to peace. Peace Now is not interested in Arab construction or land expansion, because those are not issues that negatively affect peace. Investigating and exploring Arab activities is not within our purview for promoting peace.’<BR/><BR/>Even if I wanted to, I couldn’t have said it better.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137747883999561312006-01-20T11:04:00.000+02:002006-01-20T11:04:00.000+02:00The evil Jews are buying land in Jerusalem.http://...The evil Jews are buying land in Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/>http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/672905.html<BR/><BR/>But the courts approved it, How shall we stop them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137746884612281592006-01-20T10:48:00.000+02:002006-01-20T10:48:00.000+02:00There are two competing streams in Israel.The firs...There are two competing streams in Israel.<BR/><BR/>The first claims to be the champions of human rights and the rule of law, yet duly ignore them when dealing with Jews and even their <B>documented</B> land rights in Yesha.<BR/><BR/>The second is accused of ignoring human rights and the rule of law, yet goes out of its way to purchase its properties from its previous Arab owners for more than full cash value, and then protects the Arab’s identities, even to their own potential financial and physical detriment. <BR/><BR/><I>I stand with the accused.</I>JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137744580972116592006-01-20T10:09:00.000+02:002006-01-20T10:09:00.000+02:00It's not a secret that Peace Now is a self-hating ...It's not a secret that Peace Now is a self-hating Jewish organization.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137744520897829552006-01-20T10:08:00.000+02:002006-01-20T10:08:00.000+02:00Correct. I specifically said 'the latest story'.Th...Correct. <BR/>I specifically said 'the latest story'.<BR/><BR/>There was a previous court order to prevent further expansion of various outposts as well as demanding demolition of some homes (and not just in Amona)<BR/><BR/>After all, there is an "official" government policy to freeze all settlement growth due to US pressure. (But unofficially Sharon did say, 'grab every hilltop you can'.)<BR/><BR/>So it is also quietly overlooked by the government who have no interest in dismantling the State.<BR/><BR/><B><I>But Peace Now keeps running to the EU and the US </I>(u'l'malshininim lo t'hi tikva)<I> to get pressure put on Israel.</B></I> <BR/><BR/>And as a result Israel keeps getting forced to take official notice, even if that isn't in our best interest.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think the most telling point is the Peace Now response of January 3, 2006:<BR/><BR/>"Peace Now responded in court that there are no objections to add them to the appeal submitted, <B><I>if they can provide documentation that proves they have legal residence rights or land ownership right.</I></B>"<BR/><BR/>Amazing. The landowners aren't coming forward, because they sold the land. <BR/>Peace Now is fighting this battle alone, knowing that they will get these Arabs killed if the Settlers pull out the documents.JoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137742948532649752006-01-20T09:42:00.000+02:002006-01-20T09:42:00.000+02:00It seems from the Peace Now website that they didn...It seems from the Peace Now website that they didnt send in the initial petition to get rid of Amona, the order had already been given and they petitioned that it wasnt being carried out. But it had already been determined that t was illegal before Peace Now got involvedstillruleallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08514440202758418728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137742652683891282006-01-20T09:37:00.000+02:002006-01-20T09:37:00.000+02:00ezzie: I assume that it has to do with who has the...ezzie: I assume that it has to do with who has the Burden of Proof once the issue is forced to be addressed in court.<BR/><BR/>As long as no one is really making it an issue,(and why would they? all the involved parties are happy) things go on quietly, but once Peace Now forces everyone to take official notice, then things follow court procedure.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think Talia Sasson had so little success/assistance pulling information out of the various government offices?<BR/><BR/>Say the name "El Ad" and watch certain people go crazy. <BR/><BR/>Read this for fun: <BR/>http://www.stopmoskowitz.com/article0061.shtmlJoeSettlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232647820807408898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137719557194508722006-01-20T03:12:00.000+02:002006-01-20T03:12:00.000+02:00Since you have no trackbacks, Ping!Since you have no trackbacks, <A HREF="http://neowarmonger.blogspot.com/2006/01/stolen-land.html" REL="nofollow">Ping!</A>Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15423117.post-1137718960875928052006-01-20T03:02:00.000+02:002006-01-20T03:02:00.000+02:00Oy. And here, I was waiting for a secret! :)Excell...Oy. And here, I was waiting for a secret! :)<BR/><BR/>Excellent post. Why can't the argument to the HJC be simply, "Okay, show us some people who got robbed?"Ezziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494592434522239195noreply@blogger.com